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    I play both, but interested in what others think about the skill level of both? I pooh, poohed, outdoor until i tried it and found it was just as difficult as indoor, but in a completely different way.

    Indoor takes a few ends (if you're playing away) to find the green and pace. Yes, some greens indoor really get you going, but if you play away on a regular basis you can normally find it eventually. A slow rink can be especially testing when your home rink is quick, but during 18 ends it does come sometime during the game.

    Outdoor it can be a nightmare. You find the green one end and the other end is totally different. Some have little damp patches that slows the bowls, to dry bits that give it false speed. I find outdoor more of a challenge in reading the green and getting the pace right. Then you have the weather, in rain when the green is really slow, all finesse goes and it's brut strength, I don't like these conditions to be honest. Wet cold hands, damp, cold ears, only made up by hot tea in the club house after.

    Lastly. I do find outdoor players more friendly to be honest, they seem to play the game with honest enthusiasm and lack of egos. I love both, the Indoor for all the high quality competitions. The outdoor for the quant little clubs we go to around the County, and it's very friendly people.

    What do you think?

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    I've only played once indoors (2nd game tomorrow!) at full-length but would, mostly, echo your thoughts on the two. I like all the vagaries of playing outside and find indoors a bit 'unatmospheric' and a bit 'samey'. My one experience of indoors, and the opponents were very friendly and accommodating, I must say: not necessarily representative perhaps, but a fine start. I'm not so anti the weather outside (even in winter) - dressing up appropriately is fairly easy these days, without being too bulky, although taking sufficient clothing can be an issue, I have much weather gear from my golfing days! On a very poor day, I like a beer after a game!The one thing I would add - mostly from my short-mat games, but it seems to apply equally to indoor/outdoor 'carpet' venues - is that playing indoors does tend show up any deficiencies in your delivery more than outdoors on grass. I was therefore very pleased to find that my outdoor game improved in 2018 after playing short mat over 2017/18 winter; I'm hoping that playing both SM and all-weather mat this winter will do the same this coming year on grass. I've actually liked the all-weather surface enough to be considering joining them as a second club for all of 2019 (although grass will take precedence). I don't think I would ever consider doing the same at an indoors club, mainly down to the type of venue and its characteristics.Incidemtally, the indoors match tomorrow is at a very different sort of venue - a small 3-rink indoors green at a large members club (where I played outside last summer), as opposed to a vast cavernous green at a commercial venue for my first 'go'. Tomorrow might change my view somewhat. I've also picked up some more bowls (Taylor Aces) as I played before with some wery wide-swinging bowls and a strong hook finish, which made life tricky to say the least.

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    [QUOTE=richardhb;1647963]I play both, but interested in what others think about the skill level of both? I pooh, poohed, outdoor until i tried it and found it was just as difficult as indoor, but in a completely different way.

    Indoor takes a few ends (if you're playing away) to find the green and pace. Yes, some greens indoor really get you going, but if you play away on a regular basis you can normally find it eventually. A slow rink can be especially testing when your home rink is quick, but during 18 ends it does come sometime during the game.

    Outdoor it can be a nightmare. You find the green one end and the other end is totally different. Some have little damp patches that slows the bowls, to dry bits that give it false speed. I find outdoor more of a challenge in reading the green and getting the pace right. Then you have the weather, in rain when the green is really slow, all finesse goes and it's brut strength, I don't like these conditions to be honest. Wet cold hands, damp, cold ears, only made up by hot tea in the club house after.

    Lastly. I do find outdoor players more friendly to be honest, they seem to play the game with honest enthusiasm and lack of egos. I love both, the Indoor for all the high quality competitions. The outdoor for the quant little clubs we go to around the County, and it's very friendly people.

    What do you think?

    RB[/QUOTE Very interesting comments,slow greens are killing the putdoor game,some clubs early season for a fewweeks make it impossible for many to reach the other end,delivery skill goes out the window and throwing takes over,the players who persist with a good delivery action end up short, those who throw and bounce reach.I stopped outdoor 3 years ago, and just play indoors started 2 new indoor leagues last year with over 80 players.By the time most outdoor greens are runningwell the season is over.As for the skills required. Ido a lot of coaching indoors these days, Give me a new bowler outdoors for about 12 hours tuition and i will give you a reasonable outdoor bowler,Indoors it willbe a much longer process.The reason is obvious miss your line outdoors and finish 2-3 foot off line, do the same indoors and finishe off the rink.It is wrong to compare the two anyway they are really very different games. Outdoor players more friendly, they are often players who play both codes,and most outdoor clubs are smaller units which leads to a closer unit, if you compare a small outdoor club say 40 members,the atmosphere is goingto be more social than an indoor club with say 250.one of the reasons for that is a higher percentage of members are involved in the organisation of the small club.just enjoy which ever code you prefer or both if that suits you
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    I played indoors only when i first started playing bowls ( about 4yrs ago) once i started playing outdoors i realised OUTDOORS is what my game is best suited to.

    I'm really looking forward to the outdoor season starting soon but I'm going back to indoor bowls next season as my job allows me to finish at a sensible time now.

    Comparing the 2 is very difficult but I've also played on a few all weather surfaces locally (summer & winter) and that is my perfect bowling scenario, outdoors but nearly true lines.

    Think i need to retire down under looking at their greens.







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    My 2nd indoor match did not change my opinion - I would place it bottom of my preferences for bowls. All formats are different.

    Outdoors (grass) does vary significantly - across the season and between greens. Although I agree that you need a better technique indoors and on the all-weather surface (to only a slightly lesser extent), I would not agree that the abililty to send the bowl to the required distance even on a heavy green should be decried - there are few sports where some degree of strength and natural ability to handle it under adverse circumstances do not feature. As has been said - treat them all differently, and play where you prefer.

    I will definitely be joining the all-weather club as a 2nd club this year - it is very informal with few matches etc (so few commitments as such) and affords a fine mix of the features of the different venues: I suspect that playing there will keep my delivery smoother for playing on grass, which will remain my overall preference. I will also keep on with short-mat once a week as it really is a different game. Whether I keep these views as I get older will be interesting to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by corptaxman View Post
    My 2nd indoor match did not change my opinion - I would place it bottom of my preferences for bowls. All formats are different.

    Outdoors (grass) does vary significantly - across the season and between greens. Although I agree that you need a better technique indoors and on the all-weather surface (to only a slightly lesser extent), I would not agree that the abililty to send the bowl to the required distance even on a heavy green should be decried - there are few sports where some degree of strength and natural ability to handle it under adverse circumstances do not feature. As has been said - treat them all differently, and play where you prefer.

    I will definitely be joining the all-weather club as a 2nd club this year - it is very informal with few matches etc (so few commitments as such) and affords a fine mix of the features of the different venues: I suspect that playing there will keep my delivery smoother for playing on grass, which will remain my overall preference. I will also keep on with short-mat once a week as it really is a different game. Whether I keep these views as I get older will be interesting to see.
    You are fortunate to have the facility to play on an artificial surface outdoors, there are not many about,the nearest to me( 30. Miles away) was disposed of and they went back to grass.One was built at Southwold on the advice of David Bryant many years ago ,a single rink with a wall round it lies unused gathering leaves,and has done for over 30 years. The outdoor season is very short(4months in many clubs) If you enjoy bowling then play indoors as well, The choice is yours,One thing i would say is that you get more surprise results outdoors than indoors.
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    The all-weather facility here is quite old - although I live fairly close (10miles or just under) and have been to the village frequently over the 30+ years I have lived here I never knew of it's existence until last October! There are 4 rinks and they play there all year round - in rain and snow(! - I havent tried that yet: the last snowfall a few weeks ago had me snowed-in, even with decent 4-wheel drive: I could have got out, but getting back up a steep windy narrow sunken lane might have been tricky, and not worth the effort). There are a few in Devon that I've heard of, but this is by far the closest.

    I'm not sure what will happen when the surface has had its day - it's part of a small sporting complex (including all-weather tennis courts and a football pitch) and is quite amazing for a small village (even smaller when it would have been constructed - a number of new houses have since been built). Council owned, and again only about 30 members - so, just turn up and play: all very laid-back and everyone seems to get along nicely: we had our Christmas lunch on Monday in a local hotel - someone finally remembered they hadn't had one, so set it up!

    Surprise results outdoors - definitely: part of its charm I would say. Having been a member at a links course (golf), I'm used to having to accept the vagaries that occur from the surface and conditions.

    I lived in Clevedon for a while before moving down here - but wasn't into bowls back then and never met Bryant, although I had heard of him and watched him on TV.

    I suppose I could get used to indoor bowls with time, but with the grass and all-weather greens (plus shortmat in another moorland village) on the doorstep virtually, I suppose I don't see the need at the moment, when I haven't been that keen on the environment on my few ventures so far - the nearest (in Exeter, that I've been to) is much further away from us out here, too, and takes about an hour to get to.

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