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    Good call Falky, I'm beginning to think that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falky View Post
    Perhaps just use the outdoor season then to keep your arm freed up and use it as a practice for your indoor, instead of trying to take it seriously like you are? It's sod's law that when you do this, they'll pick you for the competitive county matches!
    I stopped playing outdoors 4years ago,found heavy greens to much , there was not much going on indoors, so i started 3 indoor summer leagues,Aussie pairs, Federation 2bowl triples, and a 3bowl triples league, 2 leagues daytime 1evening , i have over 80 players this year.good income for the club,In all leagues i selected teams on known ability,it is fairly relaxed format 2leagues play 2 sets of 7 ends,the aussie pairs play 2hours. Teams can opt to play at different times, as long as they play the fixture within 7days,All runs very well and no problems as I am the controlling body,and conditions of play for each league are displayed for all players to see,
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    Quote Originally Posted by john haydock View Post
    I stopped playing outdoors 4years ago,found heavy greens to much , there was not much going on indoors, so i started 3 indoor summer leagues,Aussie pairs, Federation 2bowl triples, and a 3bowl triples league, 2 leagues daytime 1evening , i have over 80 players this year.good income for the club,In all leagues i selected teams on known ability,it is fairly relaxed format 2leagues play 2 sets of 7 ends,the aussie pairs play 2hours. Teams can opt to play at different times, as long as they play the fixture within 7days,All runs very well and no problems as I am the controlling body,and conditions of play for each league are displayed for all players to see,
    Sounds like you have a good setup there John. Keep up the good work!
    You can always out-bowl your bad luck in every game!

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    Yes well done, my indoor club are trying to get friendlies going this summer, they have mixed triples leagues running as well as ,singles, pairs cup comps so plenty there.
    I've always liked being outdoors but the greens are making it not much fun,at our green you can watch your woods hopping all the way to the jack, if it gets much worse Ican see the woods jumping over the jacks.

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    In our club, we have a league comp on a wednesday and everybody gets a go over the course of the season, regardless of how good they are! Which does keep us near the bottom of the league unfortunately!

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    This kind of set up is killing bowls. How many clubs select the 'clique' and rarely look outside it. Of course selection in any sport is always fraught with difficulty. The secret to good selection is communication. A Club overview of the different league teams and comps also helps here. Is your club out to win the County comps or just have a nice roll-up win or lose?

    Our club (110 members), has a selection policy for all teams that is clear cut and viewable by all members on our website. It states the intention of all league teams, even friendlies. We don't allow players (generally) to play in more than one league team a week. This makes sure that all bowlers of all standards get a competitive game each week (most!) if they want one. Of course it isn't perfect and not all players are happy with the selection each week but at least selectors have something to fall back on if they've followed the policy correctly. If they haven't, the Committee will step in. The club doesn't exist just for the few.

    We've picked up some good players because other local clubs don't select fairly. Sadly, some of their members simply give up the game. Speak with them, ask them why you aren't being considered. Find out what you'd have to do. Often, just asking the question makes them think differently if you're lucky. If not, armed with the facts, decide what you want to do next, you pay your membership fee the same as they do. You're entitled to at least know. There are clubs that try to do the right thing. It's tricky but possible.

    We have clubs in our area that state they are a friendly, social club first, competitive second. That's not the club for me but it is for others. If it's a big enough club, it is possible (just) to be both.

    I don't subscribe to the view that you should just put up with it. These things never will change if action isn't taken. If you feel it's unfair, you can guarantee others in the club do also.

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    Some interesting comments on here. Selection is most definitely the most difficult job in the club and causes a huge amount of upset. I know half a dozen members who've left for this reason. We are a large club with over 160 members. We have 8 men's league teams, 1 mixed league team and one ladies team. I know the men's selection committee try to keep a settled team, I often hear members complaining they've not been picked when making themselves available, only to find they've ticked one Saturday here, one Wednesday there and perhaps a couple of Thursdays. Members who do this won't get selected over regular players. We probably have a larger problem with players being selected for lower (B or C) teams thinking they should be in the A team; woe betide any A team player beaten by a B or C team player in a club competition. You won't hear the end of it for weeks. Indeed this has got so bad quite a few A team players refuse to play in club competitions.

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